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"RacinBob" (racinbob) 01/06/2019 at 21:25 • Filed to: None

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ttyymmnn > RacinBob 01/06/2019 at 21:35

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Neat. He’s dropping the flugelhorn (third from left) down a couple of octaves electronically to cover the tuba part. I’ve tried my hand at arranging, and I suck at it.

Thanks!

RacinBob > ttyymmnn 01/06/2019 at 21:43

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I was wondering as there are several parts/pieces where the range ain’t right for the mouthpiece he is using. Kid plays a mean horn. 

OPPOsaurus WRX > ttyymmnn 01/06/2019 at 21:55

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third from left or third from right?

OPPOsaurus WRX > RacinBob 01/06/2019 at 21:55

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thats crazy.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > ttyymmnn 01/06/2019 at 21:58

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The secret is to write everything in the key of C and make some other poor bastard transpose it.

Source: the bastard that uses MIDI so he doesn’t have to transpose it. HA HA.

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > RacinBob 01/06/2019 at 22:09

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It’s not a mouthpiece issue, it’s a “jesusfuck Freddy’s range was what?! ” issue.

Waaaaay back in the stone age when I was in marching band (where chair was determined by how much ass you kissed instead of actual skill,) there wasn’t a single first chair trumpet that could handle Fat Bottomed Girls . The only one that ‘could’ literally turned bright red and sounded like someone having a very bad shart.

I just put on my biggest shit eating grin when I was the only one who could play it clean. On the first sight read. Most arrangements have the trumpet going C5 to G6. No way I could even hit above C6 these days though.

ttyymmnn > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 01/06/2019 at 23:06

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I think it was Hindemith who wrote all his scores in C. I could be wrong. I taught arranging for a semester. The concept of transposition was almost completely foreign to most of the students, particularly the singers. But they had to learn how to do it. Most of the arranging I do is for my brass quartet, and I write for C trumpets and trombones so there’s no transposition necessary.

I played a wedding with my father many years ago (he is an organist) and I explained it all to him: “ I’m playing a piccolo trumpet pitched in A while reading music for D trumpet which is written in the key of C. So I’m reading it up a perfect fourth and playing it in the key of F.” He had a blank look and said, “Just play the right notes.”

ttyymmnn > RacinBob 01/06/2019 at 23:10

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The guy is a trumpet player, and all the instruments he is playing (trumpet, flugelhorn, soprano trombone) use essentially the same mouthpiece and play in the same range. He is doing the recordings and then electronically transposing some of the voices to get the notes into the correct register. It sounds much better than recording the whole thing with MIDI instruments , but there is a definite processed- ness to the sound. The arrangements are solid, though. I might look into some of them. Thanks for the tip.

ttyymmnn > OPPOsaurus WRX 01/06/2019 at 23:10

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Yes

Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks > ttyymmnn 01/07/2019 at 00:00

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Quite possibly? It has been many many many years for me. I was never an ‘educator’ thank gods. I was more like the ‘if you actually want to learn something, ask this guy’ because I was the only multi-instrumentalist and the only one who could actually read music. (Marching band was basically ‘make notes, correct notes are optional.’)

My piano teacher wanted to do a duet with me one recital, and I said it would probably be a bad idea. She has to practice, I can sight read like few others. She said “it’ll be fine.” I showed her the Uematsu I wanted to do. “Wait, what?” 16 key changes and four times that many accidentals. I didn’t care that it was hard, I just liked the music.

I think it was this one:

(Yes, I used to actually be pretty good on the keys.)

Or it was possibly this one:

My sheet for that was basically a MIDI printout that I transcribed to actual staff paper with some minor tweaks. It was ugly. I think I did ‘ok.’ But probably not. It was a struggle.

RacinBob > ttyymmnn 01/07/2019 at 08:06

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Thanks. as I watched it I kept on wondering if I was listening to synthesize r and watching “ air trumpet” as the sounds have an odd quality. I concluded it was real as I could see little grace note movements that would be hard to do consistently . Also because he by all means appears to be a professional musician.

The digitally transposed processing explains the bass trombone/tuba range I am hearing.

cool

RacinBob > Spamfeller Loves Nazi Clicks 01/07/2019 at 08:09

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OK, try this for range.

RacinBob > ttyymmnn 01/07/2019 at 09:11

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By the way, your answer maybe explains something I’ve noted lately. Our new conductor likes contemporary music and recently I’ve seen a lot of parts with unconventional scoring such as A sharps and E sharps for no reason when it would have been just as easy if it had been a B flat or F.

I suspect it’s the software and it makes it easy to write but it’s a real pain when trying to transpose 2nd trombone in tenor cle f....

ttyymmnn > RacinBob 01/07/2019 at 09:38

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It could be an issue of the music software. In Finale, the program defaults to favoring sharps or flats (you can choose one or the other) , regardless of the key you are writing in. If you are in G minor, hitting the F-sharp on the keyboard will give you a G-flat if it’s set to favor flats. However, take a look at the note following the accidental. The use of a sharp or flat should have something to say about the way the note resolves, or the tendency of motion to the next note. If you have an F-sharp resolving to an F-natural, then G-flat probably would have been a better choice. And I can’t stand it when a composer writes alternating notes such as F-sharp to F-natural. Regardless of key, it is better to write F-sharp to E-sharp so the eye sees the stepwise alternation.

RacinBob > ttyymmnn 01/07/2019 at 13:45

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Amen . thanks